Who has a better claim on the Zimbabwean identity?

[12/17, 5:59 PM] +44 7528 155755: Shona is a name coined by Clement Doke in 1931. Otherwise before that nobody was known as Shona
[12/17, 6:03 PM] mdmawere1: No living human being who comes from a sperm can justly claim to own a country or to claim an identity that is not perishable.

I was inspired to learn that one of the framers of the US declaration was Thomas Jefferson and he what inspired the second sentence of this declaration was a flower.

Does anyone want to know the story?
[12/17, 6:05 PM] Mike Tavengwa: There no people called Shonas that time. There was no land/area called Zimbabwe either.
[12/17, 6:05 PM] +263 78 411 1484: Kkkkkkkk this guy
[12/17, 6:07 PM] +27 78 569 6324: So as Ndebeles
[12/17, 6:07 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Teach 🤝🏾🤝🏾🤝🏾
[12/17, 6:08 PM] Mike Tavengwa: Some people need tolearn
[12/17, 6:10 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Thank you 🤝🏾 I have always questioned those who call themselves Ndebele or Shona to tell me the meanings of these two words
[12/17, 6:14 PM] +27 78 569 6324: 🇿🇼Zimbabwe has no meaning too. Its a shorter terminology of Nziwemabwe / Dzimba Dze Mabwe
[12/17, 6:15 PM] +263 78 411 1484: Drink beer don’t be drunk by it
[12/17, 6:15 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Yes English did not know bro that’s you heard that David livingstone discovered mosia tunya yet it was there already and known to the who lived
This your European reference coined the Shona a language that was spoken by the mutapas before he was not born, you can be informed by him if want but the language was spoken before then and it was always called Shona
[12/17, 6:17 PM] +27 78 569 6324: You busy calling yourself Ndebele of which it has meaning kkkkkk
[12/17, 6:17 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Noone owns a country but people belong to a country
[12/17, 6:18 PM] +263 77 438 4743: I would like to believe he did not mean the language was invented by Doke BUT that the term Shona was termed that by him
[12/17, 6:19 PM] mdmawere1: What does belong me? You mean a flower or fly can qualify to be identified as indigenous and belonging.
[12/17, 6:19 PM] +27 78 569 6324: What does shona mean
[12/17, 6:35 PM] +263 78 411 1484: We are all equal in in Zim, there’s no tribe that owns it but weve got different tribes that settled first but it doesn’t mean they own it
[12/17, 6:35 PM] Munaku: I wish i knew what you are talking about.
[12/17, 6:36 PM] +27 78 569 6324: What is ownship cde?
[12/17, 6:38 PM] Munaku: We need rules gentleman.Lets discourage language with tribalistic overtones.
[12/17, 6:40 PM] +263 77 260 9132: It was called Shona before 1930 anyway read more sources
[12/17, 6:41 PM] +44 7528 155755: Coined the name Shona but did not create what he named Shona which was the language people were already speaking.
[12/17, 6:43 PM] Munaku: It was actually called Kalanga then Karanga which means people of the son.The is no agreement as to the origin of Shona.
[12/17, 6:45 PM] +263 77 260 9132: It’s a language did you want it to have an English definition would you recognize if we give it a meaning well it is the language spoken by the mutapas and the rozvi who lived in the land now called Zimbabwe in the 1000 years and before then
[12/17, 6:46 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Your sources are limited read wider
[12/17, 6:47 PM] +27 78 569 6324: I want a shona definition
[12/17, 6:47 PM] +44 7528 155755: Give your sources
[12/17, 6:51 PM] +263 77 260 9132: These are the Shona people we speak one language Shona and it is the original language spoken in land now called Zimbabwe
[12/17, 6:56 PM] +44 7528 155755: What you are either deliberately trying not to understand or naively doing so is that coining a name for a language is not the same as creating a language. The languages I know which had no known first language speakers are Latin and Sanskrit which were created for academic or religious purposes
[12/17, 7:04 PM] +44 7855 052689: But they have clean water
Electricity
Good transport system
Interest rates single digit
Inflation single digit
[12/17, 7:04 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Twalumba loko, thank you very much
[12/17, 7:05 PM] +44 7528 155755: Unemployment 3.7%
[12/17, 7:07 PM] +44 7855 052689: And we want to justify what Zimbabwe is doing
What is wrong with us
Of course they have homeless people as well
Is it the same as Zim 🤷🏿‍♂️🙈🙈
[12/17, 7:09 PM] +44 7528 155755: And very poor people too and racists and nazis
[12/17, 7:10 PM] +44 7855 052689: But in Zim it’s black on black dog eat dog
[12/17, 7:10 PM] +44 7528 155755: And we deny it😥😰😓😪
[12/17, 7:16 PM] +44 7855 052689: Justify the human rights abuse
[12/17, 7:17 PM] +44 7855 052689: The looting the incompetence
The failure
Mediocrity
[12/17, 7:18 PM] +263 77 438 4743: He gave a date much earlier than that
[12/17, 7:18 PM] +44 7528 155755: Always and admonish those who criticise
[12/17, 7:19 PM] +44 7528 155755: What date
[12/17, 7:19 PM] +44 7855 052689: When we finally wake up one day
Africa will be fine then
[12/17, 7:21 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Why do you see that in Zimbabwe. Yet the county you in right continues to abuse us
[12/17, 7:23 PM] +44 7855 052689: How ? Go back to Zim then
Leave South Africa
Go back home
Why can’t you do that ?
What are you afraid of to back home ?
[12/17, 7:29 PM] +44 7528 155755: 😄😃😀
[12/17, 7:29 PM] +265 882 39 33 19: Why blame whites in that situation?
[12/17, 7:29 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Its Britain that gave us this Zanu pf you’re crying about so much today. They bribed Mugabe to LEAD yet they knew, they’re going to use him and his cdes to abuse us as you’re crying now
[12/17, 7:30 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Blame evil Britain
[12/17, 7:31 PM] +27 78 569 6324: There are the cause of our suffering
[12/17, 7:31 PM] +265 882 39 33 19: The guy is not good healthy wise, He should let others lead.
[12/17, 7:32 PM] +44 7855 052689: Oh please are you not voting for them
Clapping and ululating
[12/17, 7:33 PM] +44 7855 052689: Wait till you say eke
Or mhaaaaa
[12/17, 7:33 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Now you agreeing that it was Britain which gave us Zanu pf to continue oppressing us
[12/17, 7:34 PM] +27 78 569 6324: Don’t blame the guy blame the system First
[12/17, 7:34 PM] +44 7855 052689: No l m not agreeing
42 years down the lane you still looking for someone to blame
Africa
[12/17, 7:35 PM] +44 7855 052689: There you go
Who is the head of the state
He is responsible and accountable for the current state of the country
[12/17, 7:36 PM] +44 7855 052689: The looting the corruption
The incompetence
No magetsi
No clean water
[12/17, 7:38 PM] +27 78 569 6324: As long as we believe in this system we will stay in it for many centuries to come 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
[12/17, 7:40 PM] +27 78 569 6324: If we change this evil system which Zanu pf doesn’t see, how bad it is, just like you. Forget seeing a better Africa
[12/17, 7:40 PM] +27 78 569 6324: What is the cause of looting❓
[12/17, 7:43 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Ummm this comment needs elaboration it’s ambiguous
[12/17, 7:47 PM] +263 77 260 9132: I sense some critical thinking here
We can’t keep on blaming what are we doing ourselves, the educated and those with capacity are hiding, out of the country, the are and of course we ululate because we are weak why don’t you brothers bring the sensible ideas you have home so that we ululate for the right thing if you really have a good idea of getting things right home
[12/17, 7:47 PM] +27 78 569 6324: How did Zanu pf got into. Can you show one rally, where you see Mugabe addressing the masses as Nkomo did. There’s nothing like that therefore who did Zanu pf win election in 1980. They got power from Lancaster house negotiations.
[12/17, 7:49 PM] +27 78 569 6324: You guys are worse and dangerous than Zanu pf🤞🏾🤞🏾 you take white supremacy bondage system dominion rule lightly 🤔🤔
[12/17, 7:50 PM] +263 77 260 9132: Those guys are dead let’s pick lessons from what they did and correct the situation before we get too old and die also
[12/17, 7:50 PM] +27 78 569 6324: The system is much alive and brother. As long as you keep it forget seeing Change in Zimbabwe
[12/17, 7:51 PM] +27 78 569 6324: I see you people this those guys are your friends 🤔🤔
[12/17, 7:52 PM] +263 78 411 1484: True , we can not keep on blaming whites than rectifying what we think it was done bad